Earthlink und Scientology
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From: wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell)
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Subject: Re: EarthLink Network, Inc. is not affiliated with any church
Date: 16 Apr 1995 02:24:35 -0500
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In article ,
Sky Dayton wrote:
>[NOTE: I am only posting this to alt.religion.scientology, though I have
>noticed many of the postings on the issue have been cross-posted to other
>groups they may or may not pertain to. In my interpretation, this is a
>violation of USENET Netiquette and I will not participate in it.]
>
>
>As founder and president of EarthLink Network, Inc., I would like to take
>issue with the questions raised in this group. In the past, I have not
>paid attention to the goings-on of this group, and I will not other than
>to post this message.
You should. Some of your customers who also are mebers of Scientology
have abused ARS with their behavior, especially Vera Wallace.
Pay attention.
We were informed that searching out the name of a user who uses a
pseudonym and posting their name without permission was against
Earthlink's rules and three such complaints would get a user thrown off.
She did it again with Modemac. I complained. I found a third such
abuse, this time Sri Changiana Saar. I complained.
She is still on and repeatedly reposted Tarla's name AND phone number!
She is still on.
My complaints were answered by Larry Gentry. His inadequate answer?
More warnings to Vera. Gentry is a known Scientologist.
How much is three in California?
If you want to be treated as a good net citizen, allowing Scientologists
like Vera to run hog wild is not the way to accomplish that.
We know that you and Earthlink do indeed have Scientology links.
We know many Scientologists work there. We know you have one bad user
who abuses Earthlink and is not being stopped.
First. Stop Vera. And no more OSA crap should be posted through
Earthlink, no 'outing', no phone numbers posted, no more trash
posts mean to spam up ARS. No more harrassment and ad hominem attacks
from Vera being fed information from Scientology terminals.
Then we can take you seriously.
You had better scan your users who post to ARS! The extremely truculent,
threatening, and rank ad hominem attacks of Scientology posters to ARS are
getting to be notorious net wide. Vera is a prime example of someone who
has repeatedly overstepped the bounds with impunity despite complaints.
>
>I hope that the facts will lay bare and reason will prevail. Only the
>facts are productive. I am no "side". I will not take part in a flame war
>over this; I will simply present the facts.
Facts are this. We know that CoS and you and Earthlink do have connections,
whether they are official or not does not matter if the perception is
that you do not adequately discipline users who repeatedly post the
name AND telephone number of women on the net and even sneer that they
hope the nuts and creeps don't do anything, which Vera did in fact do.
Earthnet has done nothing despite repeated and continuing unacceptable
behavior from Vera.
>
>Anyone wishing to receive more information about EarthLink Network, Inc.
>is welcome to email me directly, and I will be happy to provide it. Basic
>information on our services and rates is available at info@earthlink.net
>and prices@earthlink.net, by auto-reply email.
>
How about information on why assholes like Vera get three warnings about
such egregarious breaches of decent behavior? On Paper. In reality she
has gotten more than that. She does what she wants and you guys do nothing.
That is what we are interested in. Not your rates. Or your services.
You need to tighten up your policies on allowable abuse of your system.
Especially by Scientologists here on ARS.
>I thank you for your time and consideration.
>
>Sky Dayton
>President, EarthLink Network, Inc.
>
>
>Recently, I was contacted by email by Andrew Testa, who asked pointed
>questions regarding EarthLink Network, Inc. and its affiliations. I
>responded with the facts in two subsequent email messages. He also
>apparently posted my response to this newsgroup. It was my understanding
>that the issue was resolved.
>
>Occurrences in the last 24 hours have disabused me of this idea.
The bad faith and out and out dead agenting, lying, harrassment,
attempts to illegally access phone records, sending PIs to homes of
critics and other attacks on ARS Scientology critics who post on ARS in
the last week or so here have used up all good will or trust of
Scientology on ARS and much of the net.
If you are being dragged in this morrass, blame the extremist and
unprincipled Scientology attacks and harrassment. The fact that Vera
uses Earthnet to harrass and attack using below the belt tactics with
impunity makes you guys look bad. Earthlinks does have enough
Scientologists running around it that nobody trusts you any further than
they can throw you.
Only resolute action on your part can help at this point.
No more shit coming into ARS from Earthlink.
No more Veras from Earthlink.
From Earthlink, you now have to be more pure than Ceasar's wife.
************** deletia ****************
>
>Some of our staff are Scientologists, but the company itself has
>absolutely no connection to the Church of Scientology, just as we have no
>connection to the Catholic churches or synagogues of our Catholic and
>Jewish staff.
>
>I would not even bring up the religious beliefs of some of our staff as an
>issue, as it is of the most private nature. But because of the amount of
>erroneous information circulating, I felt I had to counter it with the
>facts.
The problem is that the actions of Scientologists here on ARS show many
here that Scientology simply cannot be treated as just another religion.
For Scientology is not just another religion.
No other religions repeatedly harrass critics, send PI's out, illegally
try to access phone records, ect.. Scientologists do.
Paid OSA apologists lie incessently, Miscavige is on the run from
legal obligations, 67 Scientologists will soon go on trial in Spain with
charges ranging from assault to money smuggling.
Many people on the net know for a fact that Scientology attacks
people, lies, and has it's own spy organizatioins and dirty tricks
organization, OSA. Nobody trusts Scientology except to lie.
Actions only count.
>
>EarthLink Network, Inc. is a subchapter S California Corporation owned by
>myself and private investors. Our charter is to provide excellent Internet
>services to our region, which we are succeeding at.
>
>We have no ties to any special interest group, church or organization,
>save for professional trade organizations such as the Association of
>Online Providers, non-profit groups such as the Electronic Cafe
>International, and strategic partnerships with companies such as Pacific
>Bell, Com-Net Industries and many others.
>
>We have been written up in such magazines as Interactive Age, NetGuide,
>and local newspapers such as the LA Daily News and Los Angeles Times. We
>were one of the first Internet providers to supply easy, inexpensive
>Internet access to the area, and we are now the largest ISP in Los
>Angeles.
>
>
>Now to the issue of Morten's unsolicited email:
>
>As you know, sending unsolicited form-letter email is both rude and a
>violation of the most basic and important laws of the Internet.
Vera is rude too, and she has continually used Earthlink to harrass
critics, unabated, repeatedly, and she is still here.
Nobody trusts the WORDS of anybody even SUSPECTED of having ties to
Scientology. Action counts. Only action. Scientology has told too many
lies to even take a CHANCE on.
>
>After getting word of the messages Welinder sent, I immediately responded
>to him with a single email message (I have not included it here, as it is
>also a violation of Netiquette to post private email), and politely asked
>him to retract his statements by sending apologies to all those he has
>contacted. I offered to provide whatever evidence necessary to clear up
>the matter.
>
>I have not heard from Welinder for 24 hours. I have, however, already
>received complaints from customers he sent the unsolicited email to. The
>customers were rightly furious over such a breach of their privacy.
>
>Morten Welinder unjustly slandered EarthLink's name and caused damage to
>our reputation with our customers by sending them bogus, unsolicited
>information.
>
>I feel that the act committed by Welinder is grave enough for me to
>formally request a retraction and apology to customers he contacted. As I
>said, I attempted to contact him by email yesterday with a single message.
>But the lack of any response from him has forced me to post this publicly,
>as I can see he also posts to this group.
>
>Whether it was Welinder's misunderstanding of our affiliations, malice or
>other, I don't care. I would like the damage repaired and the issue closed
>for good.
>
>
Action on your part. No more Veras on ARS through Earthlink. No more
spam postings, no more vicious ad hominem attacks, no more outing with
impunity.
Action.
wbarwell@starbase.neosoft.com
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
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From: hartmans@athena.mit.edu (Sam Hartman)
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Subject: Re: EarthLink Network, Inc. is not affiliated with any church
Date: 16 Apr 1995 18:09:43 GMT
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In article <3mqgnj$pb8@starbase.neosoft.com>,
William Barwell wrote:
>In article ,
>Sky Dayton wrote:
>>[NOTE: I am only posting this to alt.religion.scientology, though I have
>>noticed many of the postings on the issue have been cross-posted to other
>>groups they may or may not pertain to. In my interpretation, this is a
>>violation of USENET Netiquette and I will not participate in it.]
you are confused. It is the opinion of many on the net that
several of the issues raised by this disagreementhave broad-reaching
questions that relate to the ability of Usenet and the Internet in
general to function. Also, there are very interesting legal and moral
concerns that reach far beyond the scope of Scientology; issues like
copyright for religious scripture, the extent of fair use, the
appropriate level of protection to be given anonymous remailers, and
how to deal with abuses of these remailers have far-reaching
implications. Perhaps your announcement about your service doesn't
need to be posted to all of these news groups, but you should not
blindly decide that cross-posting your announcement is inappropriate.
>> [deletia]
>My complaints were answered by Larry Gentry. His inadequate answer?
>More warnings to Vera. Gentry is a known Scientologist.
>How much is three in California?
>
>
>If you want to be treated as a good net citizen, allowing Scientologists
>like Vera to run hog wild is not the way to accomplish that.
>We know that you and Earthlink do indeed have Scientology links.
>
William, while I tend to agree with what you say to a certain
extent, I couldn't help but remark about the similarities between your
post and the tactics of OSA an CO$. You spew forth a random
assortment of mostly unsubstanciated facts that aren't that well
connected and then try to shove your conclusions down our throats.
I'm willing to establish that you explained your complaint against
VERA substancially. However, your assertion that
Earthlink does in fact have Scientology links is somewhat troubling.
Perhaps, it is substanciated by discussion that I killfiled, but your
article would have been better presented had you enumerated a few
facts to support your position.
What really troubles me is your general lack of regard for the
rights of due process and of freedom of speech when dealing with your
enemies. I get the sense that you would be satisfied if your
complaints against Earthlink were acted on when first presented.
More on this in a bit.
>We know many Scientologists work there. We know you have one bad user
>who abuses Earthlink and is not being stopped.
This IMHO is a valid complaint and is worth flaming about.
You demonstrated that she had repeatedly disregarded warnings, etc.
>First. Stop Vera. And no more OSA crap should be posted through
>Earthlink, no 'outing', no phone numbers posted, no more trash
>posts mean to spam up ARS. No more harrassment and ad hominem attacks
>from Vera being fed information from Scientology terminals.
I am concerned that you are stepping over the line here, by
suggesting that OSA should not be allowed to post. You can't have it
both ways: you cannot have your freedom protected and supress the
ideas of others. Yes, there are certain activities that OSA engages
in (a good portion of their posts; perhaps a strong majority) that are
inappropriate. however, this does not justify supressing their
position.
>You had better scan your users who post to ARS! The extremely truculent,
>threatening, and rank ad hominem attacks of Scientology posters to ARS are
>getting to be notorious net wide. Vera is a prime example of someone who
>has repeatedly overstepped the bounds with impunity despite complaints.
This sounds somewhat like CO$ telling Netcom to scan their
users who post to ARS; their repeated abuses of copyright are getting
to be notorious net-wide.:) Seriously, I realize you probably didn't
mean prior restraint, but you could have phrased it more carefully.
>
>How about information on why assholes like Vera get three warnings about
>such egregarious breaches of decent behavior? On Paper. In reality she
>has gotten more than that. She does what she wants and you guys do
nothing.
What is wrong with giving users three warnings? Why shouldn't
an ISP have a reasonable policy on external complaints? It's when, as
in this case, the application of the policy appears flawed that I have
a problem. I would certainly rather have an account with an ISP that
had a clearly documented policy of how they dealt with complaints from
the outside.
>
>You need to tighten up your policies on allowable abuse of your system.
>Especially by Scientologists here on ARS.
Hold on! Why should it matter who someone is if they are
abusing the system? Why should Scientologists be given higher
standards to meet by an ISP's policy?
>
>wbarwell@starbase.neosoft.com
>Pope Charles
>SubGenius Pope Of Houston
>Slack!
Seriously, you have a valid complaint, but I think you should
step back and look at how you present it. A rational,
well-thought-out message would, at least for me, have been more
effective. Perhaps, it would not have had the desired effect you want
with Earthlink; you may not be able to get that effect. At least, it
would have convinced others that you were right in your analysis of
the situation, and that Earthlink needed to improve their enforcement
and possibly their policy.
- --Sam
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From: wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell)
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Subject: Re: EarthLink Network, Inc. is not affiliated with any church
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In article <3mrmh7$ruk@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>,
Sam Hartman wrote:
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************** deletia ****************>
>>My complaints were answered by Larry Gentry. His inadequate answer?
>>More warnings to Vera. Gentry is a known Scientologist.
>>How much is three in California?
>>
>>
>>If you want to be treated as a good net citizen, allowing Scientologists
>>like Vera to run hog wild is not the way to accomplish that.
>>We know that you and Earthlink do indeed have Scientology links.
>>
>
> William, while I tend to agree with what you say to a certain
>extent, I couldn't help but remark about the similarities between your
>post and the tactics of OSA an CO$. You spew forth a random
>assortment of mostly unsubstanciated facts that aren't that well
>connected and then try to shove your conclusions down our throats.
>I'm willing to establish that you explained your complaint against
>VERA substancially.
The connections are there. They have been posted by critics on ARS and
mulled over. If you want, I could repost those still available. Or
those interested could scan alt.religion.scientology.
For example, Brian Wenger works for Earthlink.net. He in the past has
posted personal data from ex-scientologist's folders on ARS. Not kosher.
And several Scientology organizations have accounts on Earthlink.
There is more such stuff. Sky Dalton has admitted to having been
involved with the church.
This does not mean Scientology has an official link with Earthlink. But
if you know Scientology as well as some of us do, there is always a
possibility that there is an unofficial link. OSA, Office Of Special
Operations, is an outfit long known for it's harrasment, dirty tricks
and investiagtions of critics. One can never be sure about these bastards.
Come to ARS and ask ex-members about Scientology and OSA.
It pays to be suspicious. Decades of stunts by these creeps by those who
have been IN OSA will tell you this.
Many critics on ARS are NOW currently being harrassed.
If you have not been active here or have not studied or been in
Scientology, hold your fire till you know the score.
I can cram only so much in one post!
However, your assertion that
>Earthlink does in fact have Scientology links is somewhat troubling.
>Perhaps, it is substanciated by discussion that I killfiled, but your
>article would have been better presented had you enumerated a few
>facts to support your position.
>
As I say, several church members work there. As I point out, one, Brian
Wenger has done dirty tricks here already. One cannot afford trust in a
situation like this. If I was a critic ofScientology posting from or
through Earthlink.net, I certainly would not trust private mail there.
Wenger is a known quantity to us ARS critics. His working there IS a link.
> What really troubles me is your general lack of regard for the
>rights of due process and of freedom of speech when dealing with your
>enemies. I get the sense that you would be satisfied if your
>complaints against Earthlink were acted on when first presented.
>More on this in a bit.
>
Better policies about this sort of crap too.
>>We know many Scientologists work there. We know you have one bad user
>>who abuses Earthlink and is not being stopped.
>
> This IMHO is a valid complaint and is worth flaming about.
>You demonstrated that she had repeatedly disregarded warnings, etc.
>
>>First. Stop Vera. And no more OSA crap should be posted through
>>Earthlink, no 'outing', no phone numbers posted, no more trash
>>posts mean to spam up ARS. No more harrassment and ad hominem attacks
>>from Vera being fed information from Scientology terminals.
>
> I am concerned that you are stepping over the line here, by
>suggesting that OSA should not be allowed to post.
Show me where I said that?
OSA is Office of Specail Affairs, teh CoS equivalent of the
KGB. They do teh investigating and get the phone numbers which then
pop up on ARS. When they did this to Dennis Erlich, passing around private
information culled from private folders from his days in Scientology,
this popped up on several sites from the USA to Australia, Scientologists
twitting Dennis that they could have access to his folders.
This is the sort of crap OSA specializes is, petty and not so petty
harrasment of critics, especially ex-members.
Andrew Milne, an OSA member posts here, (not from Earthlink) and I do not
advocatie throwing him out. I would like to see him admit, which he
won't even though we know he is as his name and membership in OSA were
noted on the masthead of a Scientologist magazine he writes for.
It is the OSA sleaze I am objecting to, passing phone numbers around so
Milne and Vera can repeatedly post Tarla's phone number on the net.
You can't have it
>both ways: you cannot have your freedom protected and supress the
>ideas of others. Yes, there are certain activities that OSA engages
>in (a good portion of their posts; perhaps a strong majority) that are
>inappropriate. however, this does not justify supressing their
>position.
See above. I never advocated throwing OSA members off ARS or Earthlink,
did I? You have read far too much into my note.
I just want the usual OSA dirty tricks to stop.
No more sneaky passing around of personal information for use by smirking
Scientologists to post, mentioning as Vera did, that Vera hoped the
creeps on teh net didn't cost Tarla too much problem.
Just not acceptable.
>
>>You had better scan your users who post to ARS! The extremely truculent,
>>threatening, and rank ad hominem attacks of Scientology posters to ARS are
>>getting to be notorious net wide. Vera is a prime example of someone who
>>has repeatedly overstepped the bounds with impunity despite complaints.
>
> This sounds somewhat like CO$ telling Netcom to scan their
>users who post to ARS; their repeated abuses of copyright are getting
>to be notorious net-wide.:) Seriously, I realize you probably didn't
>mean prior restraint, but you could have phrased it more carefully.
No. It means keeping up with the NATURE of the complaints.
vera has had too many bites at teh apple and Sky should oversee the
situation which is his job. Hi sunderlings are not reacting to
this in an adequate manner and his rules are too loose for people
like Vera who abuse them. Repeatedly posting Vera's phone number over a
period of days should NOT count as ONE complaint!
Two other people 'outed' should not be counted as one complaint.
Sky can run his business this way if he wants Scientologists to be
allowed this latitude. He can take the enmity of numerous persons for
doing so also. His choice.
>>
>>How about information on why assholes like Vera get three warnings about
>>such egregarious breaches of decent behavior? On Paper. In reality she
>>has gotten more than that. She does what she wants and you guys do
>nothing.
>
> What is wrong with giving users three warnings? Why shouldn't
>an ISP have a reasonable policy on external complaints? It's when, as
>in this case, the application of the policy appears flawed that I have
>a problem. I would certainly rather have an account with an ISP that
>had a clearly documented policy of how they dealt with complaints from
>the outside.
>>
Not all incidents are equal. Three times unfortunately on Earthlink seem
sto be far more than three unfortuanetly. It pisses some people of anmd
make's 'em wonder if this is just slipshod of if somebody is looking teh
other way. With the bad reputation of Scientology for proven dirty
tricks and ammorality, this is not just paranoia. Like I said, hang
aroun dARS a few months and see for yourself. Just in the last few days,
we have had several people have illegal attempts made to access long
distance phone bills, a private investigator wanted in florida for
holding himself out as a deputy sherrif harrassed an ARS critic, one
ARS critic had his account hacked and threatening letters sent under his
name which got him a visit from the police, and of course, Vera
repeatedly posted Tarla's phnoe number numerous times.
This is a dangerous cult. We are not in some little flame war such as
alt.bigfoot vs alt.flame. The cult declares full tilt war against it's
enemies.
>>You need to tighten up your policies on allowable abuse of your system.
>>Especially by Scientologists here on ARS.
>
> Hold on! Why should it matter who someone is if they are
>abusing the system? Why should Scientologists be given higher
>standards to meet by an ISP's policy?
Hang around in alt.religion.scientology and find out.
Read the Gary Scarff Declaration. Scarff, an ex-member left when high
ranking members tried to talk him into murdering two cult enemies.
He has testified to this under oath. We ain't playing games here on ARS.
There are dozens of declarations of ex-members who have left the cult and
have testified in courts about the actions they took part in.
This crap still goes on.
Come. Alt.religion.scientology beckons. Find out what these bastards are
capable of. It isn't pretty. You will quickly find out ARS is the
scariest newsgroup on the net by far.
>
>
>>
>>wbarwell@starbase.neosoft.com
>>Pope Charles
>>SubGenius Pope Of Houston
>>Slack!
>
>
> Seriously, you have a valid complaint, but I think you should
>step back and look at how you present it. A rational,
>well-thought-out message would, at least for me, have been more
>effective. Perhaps, it would not have had the desired effect you want
>with Earthlink; you may not be able to get that effect. At least, it
>would have convinced others that you were right in your analysis of
>the situation, and that Earthlink needed to improve their enforcement
>and possibly their policy.
>
>- --Sam
Sky Dalton knows EXACTLY what I mean.
So do others on ARS.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
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From: wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.current-events.net-abuse,alt.2600hz,comp.org.eff.talk,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: EarthLink Network, Inc. is not affiliated with any church
Date: 16 Apr 1995 21:53:27 -0500
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In article ,
Deirdre wrote:
>For the record, I objected to Vera's posts months ago and received no
>acknowledgement or action. I did this privately, not publically, so I
>wonder why NOW is the "first" violation? How many others objected only
>privately and weren't being counted?
>
The personal assualts on Dierdre and the personal dirt from Dierdre's
personal and personel files, from Dierdre's days at Scientology indeed
were paraded here by Vera on Ars.
Dierdre, you didn't do it right. Do it in public and cross post to teh
better groups. Otherwise teh powers that be at Earthlink.net turn their
heads and ignore OSA's attack through the Vera's and the Brian Wengers of
the net.
You have to get out a baseball bat to deal with Scientologists, you
should know that by now, Dierdre.
>I don't care if you are Scns (or whatever) or handle the domain names for
>Scn (or whoever) as long as the information coming from your users (direct
>and otherwise) isn't disruptive.
>
>I would assume that you wouldn't show preferential treatment to Scns either.
>
>_Deirdre
>
>In article , sky@earthlink.net
>(Sky Dayton) wrote:
>
>> As founder and president of EarthLink Network, Inc., I would like
>> to take issue with the questions raised in this group. In the past,
>> I have not paid attention to the goings-on of this group, and I
>> will not other than to post this message.
>
>[snip]
>
>> Some of our staff are Scientologists, but the company itself
>> has absolutely no connection to the Church of Scientology, just
>> as we have no connection to the Catholic churches or synagogues
>> of our Catholic and Jewish staff.
You have been a running sore on ARS for too long, Sky. Do something
about it or you will have to deal with the suspicions that not all at
Earthlink is Kosher.
Do something. No more 'dead agenting' or savage personal attacks.
You need to rewrite your site's rules and enforce them.
It is your reputation at stake.
Action, man. Make it go right.
OSA can no longer be allowed to use Earthlink as a privaledged site to
post personal attacks on Scientology critics and ex-members without
any discernable real action ever being taken.
Somebody should do something, Sky and it looks like you is the
official somebody.
Vera has been over the acceptable limit for months without
any action on Earthlink's part, despite complaints. It stinks bad.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
No more Mr. Nice Pope.
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From: rnewman@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ron Newman)
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Subject: Re: EarthLink Network, Inc. is not affiliated with any church
Date: 17 Apr 1995 06:03:38 GMT
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In article <3msk7r$ivk@starbase.neosoft.com>,
William Barwell wrote:
>For example, Brian Wenger works for Earthlink.net.
That's *Wenger* .
>There is more such stuff. Sky Dalton has admitted to having been
>involved with the church.
That's *Dayton*. For some reason, people keep making this error.
Please stop.
--
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